Yeah...I'm going to do a post about the Khatami visit and Romney and all that. CAIR is supporting this and touting it as if it were the best thing to ever happen.

Does CAIR stand for Creeps in America Intending Ruination?

I'm just wondering.

Raven --

CAIR's very existence in this country and its acknowledgement by our gov't as a legitimate entity demonstrates gross stupidity and unforgiveable negligence on the part of the gov't from the President on down to the most distant relatives of the people who clean the toilets in the White House and on the Hill -- when the FBI recently included them as co-principals in a press conference, that said it all. They are wilfully allowing the enemy to have a say in how we defend ourselves against them, all in the name of political correctness.

I applaud Romney for his objection to the Khatami visit and his refusal to be instrumental in the man's security, as I condemn one of our "foremost" universities for permitting the SOB to lecture on their campus. And he's going to speak on the subject of "tolerance"? Give me an effin' break!

But then, this is an institution that ran off a good boss because he was a good American -- it looks like Harvard should be on some watch list or other.

I look forward to reading your post on the Khatami visit.

GM --

LOL, I like to think that the first 2 letters stand for Camel Analizers.

Seth,
Apparently Catholics, Episcopalian, Jewish and
the others involved are "Stupid fucking idiots People of every stripe"? You really ought to be
a diplomat!

BB --

Have you read the Koran?

All these stupid people, and I include my fellow Jews who are too effin' ignorant to get all the facts, to say nothing of other westerners who are too effin' stupid to read the Koran before they even dream of expressing an opinion, swallow the BS put out by the Islamofascist propaganda machine re "the religion of peace" --

It's not my fault that they are idiots -- anyone who hasn't read the entire Koran and still expresses an opinion re Islamic terrorism is talking through his or her behind -- that book explains all, and if more people took the time to read it, they would understand what we are dealing with.

I don't care what denomination someone comes from, if they haven't read the Koran, they have no qualifications to express an opinion on this.

Seth,
"Have you read the Koran?" No way, it sounds
as tedious as the Book of Mormon. Clearly, Seth,
you have:...is it a bunch of sayings, is it militant and warlike? Does it demand forced
conversions, etc? Is there plethora of
subsequent commentary such as Talmud, Mishna,
Midrash, etc? My original post was about the
vilification and demonization of mainline Christians...didn't realize Koranic scholarship
was a prerequisite! :^|

BB --

Actually,reading the Book of Mormon proved an impossibility for me.

This is my POV: In the last 37 years, Mid-Eastern Muslims have been executing terror ops of one kind and another against America and Americans. In more recent years, they've hit other western countries and of course there was 9/ 11.

And most people still swallow the "Religion of Peace" propaganda. It doesn't occur to them to take a look at the religion that countenances mass murder, abduction and the beheading of non-believers before they swoon with serenity and solidarity.

But they don't, because they're numbnuts. The media says it's a peaceful religion and, like all religions, some of its members are criminals, and they take that at face value.

Seth,
Well said. I agree. Do you think the terrorists
use Islam as an excuse, or Islam drives them to
it? Reason I ask, is bloggers elsewhere are debating Moslims in the US military [and I read
a Fatwa someplace that permits them to follow US
orders, even in attacking other Moslims], their
loyalty, utility as linguists, etc. BTW, agree
100% about Joseph Smith's oblique tome...Watchtower much more exciting....

Consider the 20th century. Not so long ago and the most recent century for which all the numbers are in.

How do the numbers of killed compare between wars instigated by 'Christian' nations and those begun & fought by Muslim ones?

Any idea Seth?

Arthur,
A rather sanguine read at http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
lists in documented form victims of Christianity
since about 300 CE to present. Boniface, we note, had 4500 Saxons beheaded for refusing conversion (he was made a saint) I have not located a similar study for Islam, though often
they would accept a head-tax in lieu of conversion. Interestingly, most warlike activities were Islam-Islam, Christian-Christian,
and as one source notes, "in the last 3,421 years
of recorded history, only 268 have seen no war.
You pose an interesting question.

BB --

I've read a few posts elsewhere about the Muslims in the military issue -- last year, as I recall, one fragged some officers.

Folks are rightly concerned about the issue, because many may be "sleepers" who might be activated at crucial times and get a lot of our troops killed -- or consider one flying, say, a fully armed F-18 and the damage he could do before he was stopped.

Of course, Congress and now even the President being so PC and all, CAIR, who would love to see terrorists infiltrate our armed forces, need only raise their voice a little and this will instantly become a "non-issue".

I think there is a mixture among Islamofascists. Some are psychotics using extreme Islam to get their "ya ya", some are true believers, brainwashed from childhood in mosques that preach violence. Among the really poor who join up with terrorist orgs, recruitment results from their being fed propaganda -- "your poverty and squalor are the fault of the Americans and the Jooos"....

Seth,
Hmmm, cynical perhaps and diametrically opposite
that supreme cynic, Napoleon.."Religion, ah, it
keeps the poor from murdering the rich.." Yes,
poverty and squalor are great recruiting grounds
for darn near anything. However, blowing oneself
to bits in a fit of religious ecstacy strikes me
as 'psychotic'..I understand in some cases, cash
awards are made to surviving families, or that
some terrorists are driven by having had relatives killed, etc. 'Sleepers' are even more
difficult to understand..eg, how does a zealot
maintain a state of un-zealotness for a long
period, especially a newbie amateur? Perhaps I
am naive in thinking M5, CIA, ASA pros, while
the terrorists are amateurs. (and I haven't even
SEEN '24' yet)....

BB --

You will notice, however, that the barbaric deeds perpetrated by Christians were left centuries back as they evolved into the modern world, whereas Islam has brought the barbarism with them through the centuries.

Arthur --

Islam has been at war with non-Islam ever since Mohammed's time. If you go forward from Carter's hostage crisis in Teheran to today alone, and you include places like Indonesia, Chechnya, Mindanao, New York, London, Madrid, the MidEast, the Balkans, sub-Saharan Africa and Southwest Asia, though I don't have aggregate numbers, the death toll has to be well over that of any Christian instigated war. And it is all one war.

You don't see Muslim countries going to war with other Muslim countries, but fighting between Islamic sects within many of these countries is not a rarity.

Prior to the Crusades and the primary reason the Crusades occurred, Islam conquered parts of Europe and west Asia and introduced the captured countries to the concepts of Sharia law and non-person status for infidels. They destroyed churches and murdered thousands of people, age and gender not a consideration. They did what their descendants want to do today.

Keeping in mind that there was exponentially less population density then than there is now, I imagine the percentage figures would be pretty high.

BB --

Saddam was big on compensating the families of Hamas suicide bombers.

As far as Islamic terrorists "enduring" the rigors of living in our infidel society for years before being activated, "certain Arab countries" play host to compounds wherein terrorists are trained in various tradecraft usually reserved for military personnel and spooks, including the disciplines necessary to function unobtrusively in western nations. These tangos literally live for the day they'll get to die, taking as many infidels as possible with them, so they have their much revered "martyrdom" as something to look forward to.

Heck of a note, that. While the non-mentally impaired look forward to vacation, buying a new car, moving into a new home, attending the kids' graduations and so forth, Muslims look forward to blowing themselves up in order to murder innocent people. Tragic.

Seth, my post about Khatami and Romney.

Great post, Raven --

Romney's the Gov, he should at least be able to refuse to let Khatami into his state.

Khatami should give his speech at the Sorbonne, where they are much more "deserving". :-)